Na neatrodo, kad transcentalini "pazinima" galima su empirika tapatinti: In diesem Zusammenhang entsteht der Begriff des Transzendentalen als Frage nach den Voraussetzungen des Denkens, der sich vom Begriff der Transzendenz im Sinne eines „Jenseits der Sinnenwelt“ absetzt. Hier gabelt sich der Weg in die Philosophie, die Gott als Ziel und Voraussetzung des Denkens versteht und eine, die diese Einheit mindestens methodisch negiert. On 2010-08-24 14:54:54 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: > Transcendentinis yra tavo apibrezhimas, uzh patyrimo ribu, anapus > patyrimo, metafizinis, transcendentalinis yra jo antipodas - t.y. > shiapus patyrimo ribu, kiek mano patyrimo ribos apema. T.y. > Transcendentalines logikos ribose galima postuluoti - visos moterys > turi krutis, matau bankoko kabake sutikau zhmogu su didelem krutim -> > tai moteris.. Ir chia mano transcendentaline logika prasiplechia, ir > del to keichiasi mano premisos - ne vien motery buna su krutim:) > > > > Transcendentaline logika ir yra empirine logika, kuri apima tiek ir tik > tiek, kiek asmeninis patyrimas. taigi tamstos pasiulymas paskaityti > empirinis vs transcendentalinis patyrimas yra na, nevalidus kaip > minimum. > > "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message news:i50ar9$jg6$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > > Beje - ish tikro - gal apibrezk, kuo TRANSCENDENTINIS nuo > > > TRANSCENDENTALINIO skiriasi? - ir laiko sutaupysi ir protingas > > > pasirodysi :) - tiesiog skirtumus pavardink? e.g. > > > > > > 1. > > > 2. > > > 3. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2010-08-24 14:26:08 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: > > > > > >> tai ish tikruju neskiri! ta ir norejau suzhinot.. kas idomiausia, kad > > >> pats kantas ir kategorishkai atskyre shias savokas:) > > >> > > >> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message > news:i508te$g9k$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > >> > > >> > Tartautini zodziu zodynas: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > transcendentinis [lot. transcendens (kilm. transcendentis) - > > >> > > >> > peržengiantis] 1. filos. esantis anapus kokios nors sferos, anapus > > >> > > >> > pasaulio; neprieinamas patyrimui; I. Kanto filosofijoje - esantis už > > >> > > >> > sÄ > monÄs ir pažinimo ribų (âdaiktas pats savaimeâ); 2. mat. > > >> > > >> > transcendentus. > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > On 2010-08-24 13:56:41 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> >> http://www.filosofija.vu.lt/tekstai/kantas.htm#_Toc98261573 > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> na, mane tokios terminologijos ishmoke filosofijos fakas, jei tamstai > > >> > > >> >> zhinoma kazhkokia asmenine terminologija, deja nieko negaliu padet, ar > > >> > > >> >> mes tiesiog visgi nezhinom skirtumo tarp transcendentilines ir > > >> > > >> >> trenscendentines? > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message > > >> news:i506ov$cng$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Joo - ryte uzsimauname sock'us, apsivelkame jacket'a ir draiviname i > > >> > > >> >> worka :))) > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Geresni buda, kaip pademonstruoti savo neishmanyma filosofijos > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > LIETUVISHKUOSE terminuose (transcendentalinis :))))) ir ergo > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > filosofijoje bei parodyti liumpenintelektualishkas zagres rankenas ish > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > kisheniu sunku buvo sugalvoti :) > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > On 2010-08-24 09:52:52 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> Empirinis~transcendentalinis pazhinimas (ar mes maishom > transcendentini > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> su transcendentaliniu?). > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message > > >> > > >> >> news:i4ueqf$gc8$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> > Na gal tamsta paskaitykite empirinis vs transcendendinis > pazinimas, ir > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> > paaishkes kodel agnostikai ateistus silpnaprochiais laiko :) >>> - maziau >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> ostapo benderio lygio ateistine propaganda su sovietinio meshlo >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> > kvapeliu reikes varineti :) >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> > On 2010-08-23 21:28:14 +0300, trickyvic said: >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> > >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Ateistas automatiskai yra tas zmogus kuris netiki i >>> sugalvotus pasaku >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> herojus ? 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