nu nzn, ziurek su e39 525i, 528i, galu gale 530i zmones vazineja ir neverkia baisiai, kad jie silpni. E60 525i panasaus gi lygio. "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message news:i89u8m$cno$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message > news:i89ocj$6ba$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >> skitumas yra, sutinku - jis isreiskiamas sekundemis. kasdieniniu tempu >> vaziuojant - labai tas jauciasi? perkant nauja auto net ir silpniausias >> bmw > > aishku labai. nu pravazhiuok su 523 ir su 540 ir suprasi. > >> variklis yra pakankamas normaliam kasdieniam vazinejimui. jei norisi >> 'pasidraskyti', tada taip - kuo daugiau tuo geriau - bet viskas turi du >> galus - kaina, eksploatacija, mokesciai. > > prie ko ce pasidraskyti. Tiesiog turi daugiau laisves, nereik ish anksto > planuot "spesiu nespesiu", paspaudi ir turi. > O seip ce skonio reikalas, galbut yra zhmoniu kuriem 1.3 uzhtenka. > >> renkantis auto pries 5 metus svarsciau visus benzininius ir dyzelinius >> variantus - po keletos testdraivu naujas 2.5 benzininis variklis >> geriausias kompromisas pasirode. dabar nauja auto svarstant manau kad 2 >> litru dyzelio pilnai uzteks - su kolegos e60 zyzeliu (senesnis 163ag) i >> sveicarija slidineti vaziavom - jokiu rupesciu del galios trukumo - tiek >> kalnuose vaziuojant tiek autobahnais. naujas 2 litru zyzelis 184 ag - >> daugiau nei adekvatu tokiai auto. su kolegos a6 2 litru zyzelka irgi link >> juros zvejoti vaziavom - pilnai pakankama viskas atrode. Ar 3 litru >> dyzelis butu blogiau? aisku ne, geriau, bet tas gerumas kainuoja >> papildomus 10K-15K eur - tada sekantis klausimas ar reikia? kai reikia >> atsegti savo pinigus uz nauja auto, tada skaiciuoji, nes perkant nauja >> auto papildoma iranga gali kainuoti tiek, kiek bazinis automobilis. >> skirtuma tarp 40.000 eur ir 70-80.000 eur jauti? kai perki nenauja auto >> ir svarstai tarp 15K ir 18K eur, tada gal ir kitaip atrodo. > > nu jei nelabai yra pinigu pirkt nauja auto tai gal second hando reikejo > paieshkot? > Nemanai kad shiek tiek senesnis second handas dzhiugintu labiau nei plikas > ir su silpnu motoru pitakas, > bet uzhtai naujas :) > >> su amerikes krize ir europos mokesciais, po 5-10 metu i lietuva dzigitams >> nebus ka vezti, nes bmw prognozuoja, kad didziaja dali pardavimu europoje >> pvz sudarys naujasis 2 litru dyzelis. aisku bus keletas variantu is us su >> 550i ar 535i, bet jei kuro kainos pakils dar (o jos kils) nelabai >> svarstytini variantai atrodys. > > 2 litru dyzelis yra gerai. ekonomishkas. O 2.0i ar 2.5i atmosferinis > benzas nei vazhiuoja nei ekonomishkas, nu tik va jei naujam normalios > komplektacijos penktukui pinigu mazhoka bet butinai butinai noris naujo > penkto bmw tai imi pigiausia plika varianta :) > >> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >> news:i89iqn$10s$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>> kvailai mastai. skirtumas tarp 6.5 ir 8 sek yra pvz e39 523 vs e39 540. >>> Vazhiavimo skirtumas labai didelis, net nera ka lygint? ir prie ko cia >>> guoliai ir shviesaforai? kazhkoks keistas tu zhmogelis, tuomet kam >>> pirkai plika 525i o ne 520i? gi kebulas tas pats butu o kam ce suo >>> guoliais nuo shviesaforo lenktyniaut :D >>> >>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>> news:i875i9$3ut$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> nesiginu, aplanke. kiek daznai spurtuoji spausdamas iki max? plius >>>> nefasonas su f10 butu plesytis ant sviesoforu su guoliais (na bent jau >>>> mano amziui) >>>> >>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>> news:i85llp$s0p$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>> na jei nuo 6.5 sek ir 8 nera skirtumo akivaizdu kad aplanke senatve ;) >>>>> >>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>> news:i85bph$ism$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>> a) pointas buvo, kad f10 didesnis ir sunkesnis uz e38 pvz ir beveik >>>>>> nesiskiria nuo e65 >>>>>> b) del 'grazesnio' - sutikim kad tai subjektyvu ir asmeniska, ok? >>>>>> c) del greitesnio - buvo ivairiais analogiskais varikliais bandymu >>>>>> daryta tarp f10 ir e60 - negreitesnis ziede bent jau f10. ir siaip, >>>>>> nuo kada bmw greicio truksta - jei islipa auto is 10 sek iki 100 tai >>>>>> ir gana. koks realus skirtumas tarp auto kur 100 pasiekia per 6.5 ir >>>>>> kitos kur ta pat per 8 sek? realiam gyvenime - jokio, nebent >>>>>> jaunystes spuogai ir hormonai siaucia ir norisi pasirodyti pries >>>>>> kiemo chebra :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i857rq$e9n$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>> visad naujam modeliui ishejus buna kruvos neigiamu nuomoniu. Taip >>>>>>> pat buvo ir su e60. faktas tas kad F10 550i uzh e60 550i ir >>>>>>> grazhesnis ir greitesnis ir tikriausiai ekonomishkesnis. Kaip sakant >>>>>>> shunes loja bet karavanas eina tolyn :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i857cm$dnf$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>> perpostinu viena posta rasta viename is bmw forumu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just thought it would be fun to see how our beloved 5 series has >>>>>>>> evolved from a sports sedan to a luxury cruiser... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many believe the F10 is the reincarnation of the E39, but that >>>>>>>> couldnt be further from the truth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E39 2002 540i >>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2830 mm 111.4 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Track front 1516 mm 59.7 in >>>>>>>> rear 1530 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>> Length 4775 mm 188 in >>>>>>>> Width 1800 mm 70.9 in >>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1705 kg 3759 lb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E60 2005 550i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2888 mm 113.7 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Track front 1558 mm 61.3 in >>>>>>>> rear 1582 mm 62.3 in >>>>>>>> Length 4841 mm 190.6 in >>>>>>>> Width 1846 mm 72.7 in >>>>>>>> Height 1468 mm 57.8 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1735 kg 3825 lb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> F10 2011 550i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2968 mm 116.9 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Track front 1600 mm 63.0in >>>>>>>> rear 1627 mm 64.1in >>>>>>>> Length 193.1in >>>>>>>> Width 1860 mm 73.2in >>>>>>>> Height 1464 mm 57.6in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerb weight 4376lbs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In looking at the numbers, the E39 to E60 was a rather smooth >>>>>>>> transition to a larger class vehicle, but at the same time, >>>>>>>> retained its weight with minimal gains (66lb increase) due to the >>>>>>>> larger dimensions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, when we look at the E60 to F10, the numbers show a stark >>>>>>>> contrast for a car in the same class/segment...More than 3inches in >>>>>>>> wheelbase, more than 550lbs heavier! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And in the phantom comparisons of the E39 to F10, where some >>>>>>>> propose that those that loved the E39 will flock to the F10 now >>>>>>>> because of the less controversial design elements, those E39 folks >>>>>>>> will be in for a real shock when they get behind the wheel...the >>>>>>>> F10 is 5.5 inches longer in wheelbase, and 617 more pounds! I would >>>>>>>> like to hear from anyone that has an E39 that drove the F10 back to >>>>>>>> back to get their feelings on this increase in mass. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, in looking back in time, 1998, the E38 7er: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E38 '98 740i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2930 mm 115.4 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Track front 1552 mm 61.1 in >>>>>>>> rear 1568 mm 61.7 in >>>>>>>> Length 4984 mm 196.2 in >>>>>>>> Width 1862 mm 73.3 in >>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1885 kg 4156 lb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, the F10 has a longer wheelbase and weighs 220lbs more that a >>>>>>>> 7er just 10 years removed! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And even comparing to the E65: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E65 2001 745i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2990 mm 117.7 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Track front 1586 mm 62.4 in >>>>>>>> rear 1590 mm 62.6 in >>>>>>>> Length 5029 mm 198.0 in >>>>>>>> Width 1902 mm 74.9 in >>>>>>>> Height 1492 mm 58.7 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1945 kg 4288 lb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just 0.8 of an inch differentiates the F10 from the E65 in >>>>>>>> wheelbase, and still, the F10 weighs 98 lbs more! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, while no one argues or would argue that the F10 is a refined >>>>>>>> luxury sedan, it has grown to proportions that take it out of its >>>>>>>> own class size, and ultimately has killed the notion that the 5 >>>>>>>> series is a Sports saloon, its a full size luxury vehicle with lots >>>>>>>> of power, and it certainly is BIGGER than your Daddy's 7 Series. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So whats left for a 4 door Sports saloon from BMW??? Leaving out >>>>>>>> the Gran Coupe since it will be big for sure, (perhaps bigger than >>>>>>>> F10) that only leaves one model...Looking at the current E90 which >>>>>>>> has grown as well over the past decade, one can deduce that the F30 >>>>>>>> will grow approx to the exact size dimensions as the former E39 5 >>>>>>>> series, just add a couple of inches to the wheelbase and about >>>>>>>> 200lbs, and its a near match... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2010 E90 335i >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2760 mm 108.7 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Track front 1500 mm 59.1 in >>>>>>>> rear 1529 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>> Length 4531 mm 178.4 in >>>>>>>> Width 1817 mm 71.5 in >>>>>>>> Height 1421 mm 55.9 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1625 kg 3583 lb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the sad news about the F30 is that supposedly M has already >>>>>>>> decided NOT to make a 4door M3 due to the low sales of the E90 M3 >>>>>>>> (guess they didnt hear about our members support!), so there may >>>>>>>> not be any future agile, 4door, sports saloon available from M >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >