achiukas uzh nuoshirdu palinkejima, bet ratu kolkas nereik :) "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message news:i8akpb$f4v$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > tikiuosi ne del mano kvailo post'o neimsi? :) > > jei rimtai, tai sekmes renkantis 'ratus'! > > "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message > news:i8ajg6$cvh$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >> troikei 150kw ner mazhai ypach kai yra >400Nm torko. e60 su 250Nm torko >> ir didesne mase yra zhymiai praschiau. Plius ash jo nezhadu imt taip kad >> najezdas nepavyko ;) >> >> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >> news:i8a3v5$iit$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>> ka tik permeciau tavo zemiau esanti posta su linku i 330d - na negi imsi >>> toki silpna 150kw varikli? :) nefasonas butu :) ir komplektacija tokia >>> nevisai pilna :) daug ko truksta ... >>> >>> >>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>> news:i89u8m$cno$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> >>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>> news:i89ocj$6ba$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>> skitumas yra, sutinku - jis isreiskiamas sekundemis. kasdieniniu tempu >>>>> vaziuojant - labai tas jauciasi? perkant nauja auto net ir >>>>> silpniausias bmw >>>> >>>> aishku labai. nu pravazhiuok su 523 ir su 540 ir suprasi. >>>> >>>>> variklis yra pakankamas normaliam kasdieniam vazinejimui. jei norisi >>>>> 'pasidraskyti', tada taip - kuo daugiau tuo geriau - bet viskas turi >>>>> du galus - kaina, eksploatacija, mokesciai. >>>> >>>> prie ko ce pasidraskyti. Tiesiog turi daugiau laisves, nereik ish >>>> anksto planuot "spesiu nespesiu", paspaudi ir turi. >>>> O seip ce skonio reikalas, galbut yra zhmoniu kuriem 1.3 uzhtenka. >>>> >>>>> renkantis auto pries 5 metus svarsciau visus benzininius ir dyzelinius >>>>> variantus - po keletos testdraivu naujas 2.5 benzininis variklis >>>>> geriausias kompromisas pasirode. dabar nauja auto svarstant manau kad >>>>> 2 litru dyzelio pilnai uzteks - su kolegos e60 zyzeliu (senesnis >>>>> 163ag) i sveicarija slidineti vaziavom - jokiu rupesciu del galios >>>>> trukumo - tiek kalnuose vaziuojant tiek autobahnais. naujas 2 litru >>>>> zyzelis 184 ag - daugiau nei adekvatu tokiai auto. su kolegos a6 2 >>>>> litru zyzelka irgi link juros zvejoti vaziavom - pilnai pakankama >>>>> viskas atrode. Ar 3 litru dyzelis butu blogiau? aisku ne, geriau, bet >>>>> tas gerumas kainuoja papildomus 10K-15K eur - tada sekantis klausimas >>>>> ar reikia? kai reikia atsegti savo pinigus uz nauja auto, tada >>>>> skaiciuoji, nes perkant nauja auto papildoma iranga gali kainuoti >>>>> tiek, kiek bazinis automobilis. skirtuma tarp 40.000 eur ir 70-80.000 >>>>> eur jauti? kai perki nenauja auto ir svarstai tarp 15K ir 18K eur, >>>>> tada gal ir kitaip atrodo. >>>> >>>> nu jei nelabai yra pinigu pirkt nauja auto tai gal second hando reikejo >>>> paieshkot? >>>> Nemanai kad shiek tiek senesnis second handas dzhiugintu labiau nei >>>> plikas ir su silpnu motoru pitakas, >>>> bet uzhtai naujas :) >>>> >>>>> su amerikes krize ir europos mokesciais, po 5-10 metu i lietuva >>>>> dzigitams nebus ka vezti, nes bmw prognozuoja, kad didziaja dali >>>>> pardavimu europoje pvz sudarys naujasis 2 litru dyzelis. aisku bus >>>>> keletas variantu is us su 550i ar 535i, bet jei kuro kainos pakils dar >>>>> (o jos kils) nelabai svarstytini variantai atrodys. >>>> >>>> 2 litru dyzelis yra gerai. ekonomishkas. O 2.0i ar 2.5i atmosferinis >>>> benzas nei vazhiuoja nei ekonomishkas, nu tik va jei naujam normalios >>>> komplektacijos penktukui pinigu mazhoka bet butinai butinai noris naujo >>>> penkto bmw tai imi pigiausia plika varianta :) >>>> >>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>> news:i89iqn$10s$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>> kvailai mastai. skirtumas tarp 6.5 ir 8 sek yra pvz e39 523 vs e39 >>>>>> 540. Vazhiavimo skirtumas labai didelis, net nera ka lygint? ir prie >>>>>> ko cia guoliai ir shviesaforai? kazhkoks keistas tu zhmogelis, tuomet >>>>>> kam pirkai plika 525i o ne 520i? gi kebulas tas pats butu o kam ce >>>>>> suo guoliais nuo shviesaforo lenktyniaut :D >>>>>> >>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i875i9$3ut$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>> nesiginu, aplanke. kiek daznai spurtuoji spausdamas iki max? plius >>>>>>> nefasonas su f10 butu plesytis ant sviesoforu su guoliais (na bent >>>>>>> jau mano amziui) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i85llp$s0p$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>> na jei nuo 6.5 sek ir 8 nera skirtumo akivaizdu kad aplanke senatve >>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:i85bph$ism$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>>> a) pointas buvo, kad f10 didesnis ir sunkesnis uz e38 pvz ir >>>>>>>>> beveik nesiskiria nuo e65 >>>>>>>>> b) del 'grazesnio' - sutikim kad tai subjektyvu ir asmeniska, ok? >>>>>>>>> c) del greitesnio - buvo ivairiais analogiskais varikliais bandymu >>>>>>>>> daryta tarp f10 ir e60 - negreitesnis ziede bent jau f10. ir >>>>>>>>> siaip, nuo kada bmw greicio truksta - jei islipa auto is 10 sek >>>>>>>>> iki 100 tai ir gana. koks realus skirtumas tarp auto kur 100 >>>>>>>>> pasiekia per 6.5 ir kitos kur ta pat per 8 sek? realiam gyvenime - >>>>>>>>> jokio, nebent jaunystes spuogai ir hormonai siaucia ir norisi >>>>>>>>> pasirodyti pries kiemo chebra :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:i857rq$e9n$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>>>> visad naujam modeliui ishejus buna kruvos neigiamu nuomoniu. Taip >>>>>>>>>> pat buvo ir su e60. faktas tas kad F10 550i uzh e60 550i ir >>>>>>>>>> grazhesnis ir greitesnis ir tikriausiai ekonomishkesnis. Kaip >>>>>>>>>> sakant shunes loja bet karavanas eina tolyn :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:i857cm$dnf$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>>>>> perpostinu viena posta rasta viename is bmw forumu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just thought it would be fun to see how our beloved 5 series has >>>>>>>>>>> evolved from a sports sedan to a luxury cruiser... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many believe the F10 is the reincarnation of the E39, but that >>>>>>>>>>> couldnt be further from the truth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> E39 2002 540i >>>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2830 mm 111.4 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Track front 1516 mm 59.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> rear 1530 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>>>>> Length 4775 mm 188 in >>>>>>>>>>> Width 1800 mm 70.9 in >>>>>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1705 kg 3759 lb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> E60 2005 550i >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2888 mm 113.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Track front 1558 mm 61.3 in >>>>>>>>>>> rear 1582 mm 62.3 in >>>>>>>>>>> Length 4841 mm 190.6 in >>>>>>>>>>> Width 1846 mm 72.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> Height 1468 mm 57.8 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1735 kg 3825 lb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> F10 2011 550i >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2968 mm 116.9 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Track front 1600 mm 63.0in >>>>>>>>>>> rear 1627 mm 64.1in >>>>>>>>>>> Length 193.1in >>>>>>>>>>> Width 1860 mm 73.2in >>>>>>>>>>> Height 1464 mm 57.6in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 4376lbs >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In looking at the numbers, the E39 to E60 was a rather smooth >>>>>>>>>>> transition to a larger class vehicle, but at the same time, >>>>>>>>>>> retained its weight with minimal gains (66lb increase) due to >>>>>>>>>>> the larger dimensions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But, when we look at the E60 to F10, the numbers show a stark >>>>>>>>>>> contrast for a car in the same class/segment...More than 3inches >>>>>>>>>>> in wheelbase, more than 550lbs heavier! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And in the phantom comparisons of the E39 to F10, where some >>>>>>>>>>> propose that those that loved the E39 will flock to the F10 now >>>>>>>>>>> because of the less controversial design elements, those E39 >>>>>>>>>>> folks will be in for a real shock when they get behind the >>>>>>>>>>> wheel...the F10 is 5.5 inches longer in wheelbase, and 617 more >>>>>>>>>>> pounds! I would like to hear from anyone that has an E39 that >>>>>>>>>>> drove the F10 back to back to get their feelings on this >>>>>>>>>>> increase in mass. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, in looking back in time, 1998, the E38 7er: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> E38 '98 740i >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2930 mm 115.4 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Track front 1552 mm 61.1 in >>>>>>>>>>> rear 1568 mm 61.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> Length 4984 mm 196.2 in >>>>>>>>>>> Width 1862 mm 73.3 in >>>>>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1885 kg 4156 lb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, the F10 has a longer wheelbase and weighs 220lbs more that a >>>>>>>>>>> 7er just 10 years removed! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And even comparing to the E65: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> E65 2001 745i >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2990 mm 117.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Track front 1586 mm 62.4 in >>>>>>>>>>> rear 1590 mm 62.6 in >>>>>>>>>>> Length 5029 mm 198.0 in >>>>>>>>>>> Width 1902 mm 74.9 in >>>>>>>>>>> Height 1492 mm 58.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1945 kg 4288 lb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just 0.8 of an inch differentiates the F10 from the E65 in >>>>>>>>>>> wheelbase, and still, the F10 weighs 98 lbs more! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, while no one argues or would argue that the F10 is a refined >>>>>>>>>>> luxury sedan, it has grown to proportions that take it out of >>>>>>>>>>> its own class size, and ultimately has killed the notion that >>>>>>>>>>> the 5 series is a Sports saloon, its a full size luxury vehicle >>>>>>>>>>> with lots of power, and it certainly is BIGGER than your Daddy's >>>>>>>>>>> 7 Series. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So whats left for a 4 door Sports saloon from BMW??? Leaving out >>>>>>>>>>> the Gran Coupe since it will be big for sure, (perhaps bigger >>>>>>>>>>> than F10) that only leaves one model...Looking at the current >>>>>>>>>>> E90 which has grown as well over the past decade, one can deduce >>>>>>>>>>> that the F30 will grow approx to the exact size dimensions as >>>>>>>>>>> the former E39 5 series, just add a couple of inches to the >>>>>>>>>>> wheelbase and about 200lbs, and its a near match... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2010 E90 335i >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2760 mm 108.7 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Track front 1500 mm 59.1 in >>>>>>>>>>> rear 1529 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>>>>> Length 4531 mm 178.4 in >>>>>>>>>>> Width 1817 mm 71.5 in >>>>>>>>>>> Height 1421 mm 55.9 in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1625 kg 3583 lb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And the sad news about the F30 is that supposedly M has already >>>>>>>>>>> decided NOT to make a 4door M3 due to the low sales of the E90 >>>>>>>>>>> M3 (guess they didnt hear about our members support!), so there >>>>>>>>>>> may not be any future agile, 4door, sports saloon available from >>>>>>>>>>> M >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >