troikei 150kw ner mazhai ypach kai yra >400Nm torko. e60 su 250Nm torko ir didesne mase yra zhymiai praschiau. Plius ash jo nezhadu imt taip kad najezdas nepavyko ;) "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message news:i8a3v5$iit$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > ka tik permeciau tavo zemiau esanti posta su linku i 330d - na negi imsi > toki silpna 150kw varikli? :) nefasonas butu :) ir komplektacija tokia > nevisai pilna :) daug ko truksta ... > > > "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message > news:i89u8m$cno$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >> >> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >> news:i89ocj$6ba$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>> skitumas yra, sutinku - jis isreiskiamas sekundemis. kasdieniniu tempu >>> vaziuojant - labai tas jauciasi? perkant nauja auto net ir silpniausias >>> bmw >> >> aishku labai. nu pravazhiuok su 523 ir su 540 ir suprasi. >> >>> variklis yra pakankamas normaliam kasdieniam vazinejimui. jei norisi >>> 'pasidraskyti', tada taip - kuo daugiau tuo geriau - bet viskas turi du >>> galus - kaina, eksploatacija, mokesciai. >> >> prie ko ce pasidraskyti. Tiesiog turi daugiau laisves, nereik ish anksto >> planuot "spesiu nespesiu", paspaudi ir turi. >> O seip ce skonio reikalas, galbut yra zhmoniu kuriem 1.3 uzhtenka. >> >>> renkantis auto pries 5 metus svarsciau visus benzininius ir dyzelinius >>> variantus - po keletos testdraivu naujas 2.5 benzininis variklis >>> geriausias kompromisas pasirode. dabar nauja auto svarstant manau kad 2 >>> litru dyzelio pilnai uzteks - su kolegos e60 zyzeliu (senesnis 163ag) i >>> sveicarija slidineti vaziavom - jokiu rupesciu del galios trukumo - tiek >>> kalnuose vaziuojant tiek autobahnais. naujas 2 litru zyzelis 184 ag - >>> daugiau nei adekvatu tokiai auto. su kolegos a6 2 litru zyzelka irgi >>> link juros zvejoti vaziavom - pilnai pakankama viskas atrode. Ar 3 litru >>> dyzelis butu blogiau? aisku ne, geriau, bet tas gerumas kainuoja >>> papildomus 10K-15K eur - tada sekantis klausimas ar reikia? kai reikia >>> atsegti savo pinigus uz nauja auto, tada skaiciuoji, nes perkant nauja >>> auto papildoma iranga gali kainuoti tiek, kiek bazinis automobilis. >>> skirtuma tarp 40.000 eur ir 70-80.000 eur jauti? kai perki nenauja auto >>> ir svarstai tarp 15K ir 18K eur, tada gal ir kitaip atrodo. >> >> nu jei nelabai yra pinigu pirkt nauja auto tai gal second hando reikejo >> paieshkot? >> Nemanai kad shiek tiek senesnis second handas dzhiugintu labiau nei >> plikas ir su silpnu motoru pitakas, >> bet uzhtai naujas :) >> >>> su amerikes krize ir europos mokesciais, po 5-10 metu i lietuva >>> dzigitams nebus ka vezti, nes bmw prognozuoja, kad didziaja dali >>> pardavimu europoje pvz sudarys naujasis 2 litru dyzelis. aisku bus >>> keletas variantu is us su 550i ar 535i, bet jei kuro kainos pakils dar >>> (o jos kils) nelabai svarstytini variantai atrodys. >> >> 2 litru dyzelis yra gerai. ekonomishkas. O 2.0i ar 2.5i atmosferinis >> benzas nei vazhiuoja nei ekonomishkas, nu tik va jei naujam normalios >> komplektacijos penktukui pinigu mazhoka bet butinai butinai noris naujo >> penkto bmw tai imi pigiausia plika varianta :) >> >>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>> news:i89iqn$10s$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> kvailai mastai. skirtumas tarp 6.5 ir 8 sek yra pvz e39 523 vs e39 540. >>>> Vazhiavimo skirtumas labai didelis, net nera ka lygint? ir prie ko cia >>>> guoliai ir shviesaforai? kazhkoks keistas tu zhmogelis, tuomet kam >>>> pirkai plika 525i o ne 520i? gi kebulas tas pats butu o kam ce suo >>>> guoliais nuo shviesaforo lenktyniaut :D >>>> >>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>> news:i875i9$3ut$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>> nesiginu, aplanke. kiek daznai spurtuoji spausdamas iki max? plius >>>>> nefasonas su f10 butu plesytis ant sviesoforu su guoliais (na bent jau >>>>> mano amziui) >>>>> >>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>> news:i85llp$s0p$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>> na jei nuo 6.5 sek ir 8 nera skirtumo akivaizdu kad aplanke senatve >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i85bph$ism$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>> a) pointas buvo, kad f10 didesnis ir sunkesnis uz e38 pvz ir beveik >>>>>>> nesiskiria nuo e65 >>>>>>> b) del 'grazesnio' - sutikim kad tai subjektyvu ir asmeniska, ok? >>>>>>> c) del greitesnio - buvo ivairiais analogiskais varikliais bandymu >>>>>>> daryta tarp f10 ir e60 - negreitesnis ziede bent jau f10. ir siaip, >>>>>>> nuo kada bmw greicio truksta - jei islipa auto is 10 sek iki 100 tai >>>>>>> ir gana. koks realus skirtumas tarp auto kur 100 pasiekia per 6.5 ir >>>>>>> kitos kur ta pat per 8 sek? realiam gyvenime - jokio, nebent >>>>>>> jaunystes spuogai ir hormonai siaucia ir norisi pasirodyti pries >>>>>>> kiemo chebra :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i857rq$e9n$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>> visad naujam modeliui ishejus buna kruvos neigiamu nuomoniu. Taip >>>>>>>> pat buvo ir su e60. faktas tas kad F10 550i uzh e60 550i ir >>>>>>>> grazhesnis ir greitesnis ir tikriausiai ekonomishkesnis. Kaip >>>>>>>> sakant shunes loja bet karavanas eina tolyn :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:i857cm$dnf$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>>> perpostinu viena posta rasta viename is bmw forumu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just thought it would be fun to see how our beloved 5 series has >>>>>>>>> evolved from a sports sedan to a luxury cruiser... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many believe the F10 is the reincarnation of the E39, but that >>>>>>>>> couldnt be further from the truth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> E39 2002 540i >>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2830 mm 111.4 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Track front 1516 mm 59.7 in >>>>>>>>> rear 1530 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>>> Length 4775 mm 188 in >>>>>>>>> Width 1800 mm 70.9 in >>>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1705 kg 3759 lb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> E60 2005 550i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2888 mm 113.7 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Track front 1558 mm 61.3 in >>>>>>>>> rear 1582 mm 62.3 in >>>>>>>>> Length 4841 mm 190.6 in >>>>>>>>> Width 1846 mm 72.7 in >>>>>>>>> Height 1468 mm 57.8 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1735 kg 3825 lb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> F10 2011 550i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2968 mm 116.9 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Track front 1600 mm 63.0in >>>>>>>>> rear 1627 mm 64.1in >>>>>>>>> Length 193.1in >>>>>>>>> Width 1860 mm 73.2in >>>>>>>>> Height 1464 mm 57.6in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 4376lbs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In looking at the numbers, the E39 to E60 was a rather smooth >>>>>>>>> transition to a larger class vehicle, but at the same time, >>>>>>>>> retained its weight with minimal gains (66lb increase) due to the >>>>>>>>> larger dimensions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, when we look at the E60 to F10, the numbers show a stark >>>>>>>>> contrast for a car in the same class/segment...More than 3inches >>>>>>>>> in wheelbase, more than 550lbs heavier! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And in the phantom comparisons of the E39 to F10, where some >>>>>>>>> propose that those that loved the E39 will flock to the F10 now >>>>>>>>> because of the less controversial design elements, those E39 folks >>>>>>>>> will be in for a real shock when they get behind the wheel...the >>>>>>>>> F10 is 5.5 inches longer in wheelbase, and 617 more pounds! I >>>>>>>>> would like to hear from anyone that has an E39 that drove the F10 >>>>>>>>> back to back to get their feelings on this increase in mass. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, in looking back in time, 1998, the E38 7er: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> E38 '98 740i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2930 mm 115.4 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Track front 1552 mm 61.1 in >>>>>>>>> rear 1568 mm 61.7 in >>>>>>>>> Length 4984 mm 196.2 in >>>>>>>>> Width 1862 mm 73.3 in >>>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1885 kg 4156 lb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, the F10 has a longer wheelbase and weighs 220lbs more that a >>>>>>>>> 7er just 10 years removed! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And even comparing to the E65: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> E65 2001 745i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2990 mm 117.7 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Track front 1586 mm 62.4 in >>>>>>>>> rear 1590 mm 62.6 in >>>>>>>>> Length 5029 mm 198.0 in >>>>>>>>> Width 1902 mm 74.9 in >>>>>>>>> Height 1492 mm 58.7 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1945 kg 4288 lb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just 0.8 of an inch differentiates the F10 from the E65 in >>>>>>>>> wheelbase, and still, the F10 weighs 98 lbs more! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, while no one argues or would argue that the F10 is a refined >>>>>>>>> luxury sedan, it has grown to proportions that take it out of its >>>>>>>>> own class size, and ultimately has killed the notion that the 5 >>>>>>>>> series is a Sports saloon, its a full size luxury vehicle with >>>>>>>>> lots of power, and it certainly is BIGGER than your Daddy's 7 >>>>>>>>> Series. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So whats left for a 4 door Sports saloon from BMW??? Leaving out >>>>>>>>> the Gran Coupe since it will be big for sure, (perhaps bigger than >>>>>>>>> F10) that only leaves one model...Looking at the current E90 which >>>>>>>>> has grown as well over the past decade, one can deduce that the >>>>>>>>> F30 will grow approx to the exact size dimensions as the former >>>>>>>>> E39 5 series, just add a couple of inches to the wheelbase and >>>>>>>>> about 200lbs, and its a near match... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2010 E90 335i >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2760 mm 108.7 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Track front 1500 mm 59.1 in >>>>>>>>> rear 1529 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>>> Length 4531 mm 178.4 in >>>>>>>>> Width 1817 mm 71.5 in >>>>>>>>> Height 1421 mm 55.9 in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1625 kg 3583 lb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the sad news about the F30 is that supposedly M has already >>>>>>>>> decided NOT to make a 4door M3 due to the low sales of the E90 M3 >>>>>>>>> (guess they didnt hear about our members support!), so there may >>>>>>>>> not be any future agile, 4door, sports saloon available from M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >