tikiuosi ne del mano kvailo post'o neimsi? :) jei rimtai, tai sekmes renkantis 'ratus'! "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message news:i8ajg6$cvh$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > troikei 150kw ner mazhai ypach kai yra >400Nm torko. e60 su 250Nm torko ir > didesne mase yra zhymiai praschiau. Plius ash jo nezhadu imt taip kad > najezdas nepavyko ;) > > "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message > news:i8a3v5$iit$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >> ka tik permeciau tavo zemiau esanti posta su linku i 330d - na negi imsi >> toki silpna 150kw varikli? :) nefasonas butu :) ir komplektacija tokia >> nevisai pilna :) daug ko truksta ... >> >> >> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >> news:i89u8m$cno$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>> >>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>> news:i89ocj$6ba$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> skitumas yra, sutinku - jis isreiskiamas sekundemis. kasdieniniu tempu >>>> vaziuojant - labai tas jauciasi? perkant nauja auto net ir silpniausias >>>> bmw >>> >>> aishku labai. nu pravazhiuok su 523 ir su 540 ir suprasi. >>> >>>> variklis yra pakankamas normaliam kasdieniam vazinejimui. jei norisi >>>> 'pasidraskyti', tada taip - kuo daugiau tuo geriau - bet viskas turi du >>>> galus - kaina, eksploatacija, mokesciai. >>> >>> prie ko ce pasidraskyti. Tiesiog turi daugiau laisves, nereik ish anksto >>> planuot "spesiu nespesiu", paspaudi ir turi. >>> O seip ce skonio reikalas, galbut yra zhmoniu kuriem 1.3 uzhtenka. >>> >>>> renkantis auto pries 5 metus svarsciau visus benzininius ir dyzelinius >>>> variantus - po keletos testdraivu naujas 2.5 benzininis variklis >>>> geriausias kompromisas pasirode. dabar nauja auto svarstant manau kad 2 >>>> litru dyzelio pilnai uzteks - su kolegos e60 zyzeliu (senesnis 163ag) i >>>> sveicarija slidineti vaziavom - jokiu rupesciu del galios trukumo - >>>> tiek kalnuose vaziuojant tiek autobahnais. naujas 2 litru zyzelis 184 >>>> ag - daugiau nei adekvatu tokiai auto. su kolegos a6 2 litru zyzelka >>>> irgi link juros zvejoti vaziavom - pilnai pakankama viskas atrode. Ar 3 >>>> litru dyzelis butu blogiau? aisku ne, geriau, bet tas gerumas kainuoja >>>> papildomus 10K-15K eur - tada sekantis klausimas ar reikia? kai reikia >>>> atsegti savo pinigus uz nauja auto, tada skaiciuoji, nes perkant nauja >>>> auto papildoma iranga gali kainuoti tiek, kiek bazinis automobilis. >>>> skirtuma tarp 40.000 eur ir 70-80.000 eur jauti? kai perki nenauja auto >>>> ir svarstai tarp 15K ir 18K eur, tada gal ir kitaip atrodo. >>> >>> nu jei nelabai yra pinigu pirkt nauja auto tai gal second hando reikejo >>> paieshkot? >>> Nemanai kad shiek tiek senesnis second handas dzhiugintu labiau nei >>> plikas ir su silpnu motoru pitakas, >>> bet uzhtai naujas :) >>> >>>> su amerikes krize ir europos mokesciais, po 5-10 metu i lietuva >>>> dzigitams nebus ka vezti, nes bmw prognozuoja, kad didziaja dali >>>> pardavimu europoje pvz sudarys naujasis 2 litru dyzelis. aisku bus >>>> keletas variantu is us su 550i ar 535i, bet jei kuro kainos pakils dar >>>> (o jos kils) nelabai svarstytini variantai atrodys. >>> >>> 2 litru dyzelis yra gerai. ekonomishkas. O 2.0i ar 2.5i atmosferinis >>> benzas nei vazhiuoja nei ekonomishkas, nu tik va jei naujam normalios >>> komplektacijos penktukui pinigu mazhoka bet butinai butinai noris naujo >>> penkto bmw tai imi pigiausia plika varianta :) >>> >>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>> news:i89iqn$10s$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>> kvailai mastai. skirtumas tarp 6.5 ir 8 sek yra pvz e39 523 vs e39 >>>>> 540. Vazhiavimo skirtumas labai didelis, net nera ka lygint? ir prie >>>>> ko cia guoliai ir shviesaforai? kazhkoks keistas tu zhmogelis, tuomet >>>>> kam pirkai plika 525i o ne 520i? gi kebulas tas pats butu o kam ce suo >>>>> guoliais nuo shviesaforo lenktyniaut :D >>>>> >>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>> news:i875i9$3ut$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>> nesiginu, aplanke. kiek daznai spurtuoji spausdamas iki max? plius >>>>>> nefasonas su f10 butu plesytis ant sviesoforu su guoliais (na bent >>>>>> jau mano amziui) >>>>>> >>>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i85llp$s0p$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>> na jei nuo 6.5 sek ir 8 nera skirtumo akivaizdu kad aplanke senatve >>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i85bph$ism$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>> a) pointas buvo, kad f10 didesnis ir sunkesnis uz e38 pvz ir beveik >>>>>>>> nesiskiria nuo e65 >>>>>>>> b) del 'grazesnio' - sutikim kad tai subjektyvu ir asmeniska, ok? >>>>>>>> c) del greitesnio - buvo ivairiais analogiskais varikliais bandymu >>>>>>>> daryta tarp f10 ir e60 - negreitesnis ziede bent jau f10. ir siaip, >>>>>>>> nuo kada bmw greicio truksta - jei islipa auto is 10 sek iki 100 >>>>>>>> tai ir gana. koks realus skirtumas tarp auto kur 100 pasiekia per >>>>>>>> 6.5 ir kitos kur ta pat per 8 sek? realiam gyvenime - jokio, nebent >>>>>>>> jaunystes spuogai ir hormonai siaucia ir norisi pasirodyti pries >>>>>>>> kiemo chebra :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:i857rq$e9n$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>>> visad naujam modeliui ishejus buna kruvos neigiamu nuomoniu. Taip >>>>>>>>> pat buvo ir su e60. faktas tas kad F10 550i uzh e60 550i ir >>>>>>>>> grazhesnis ir greitesnis ir tikriausiai ekonomishkesnis. Kaip >>>>>>>>> sakant shunes loja bet karavanas eina tolyn :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:i857cm$dnf$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>>>>> perpostinu viena posta rasta viename is bmw forumu: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just thought it would be fun to see how our beloved 5 series has >>>>>>>>>> evolved from a sports sedan to a luxury cruiser... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many believe the F10 is the reincarnation of the E39, but that >>>>>>>>>> couldnt be further from the truth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> E39 2002 540i >>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2830 mm 111.4 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Track front 1516 mm 59.7 in >>>>>>>>>> rear 1530 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>>>> Length 4775 mm 188 in >>>>>>>>>> Width 1800 mm 70.9 in >>>>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1705 kg 3759 lb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> E60 2005 550i >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2888 mm 113.7 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Track front 1558 mm 61.3 in >>>>>>>>>> rear 1582 mm 62.3 in >>>>>>>>>> Length 4841 mm 190.6 in >>>>>>>>>> Width 1846 mm 72.7 in >>>>>>>>>> Height 1468 mm 57.8 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1735 kg 3825 lb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> F10 2011 550i >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2968 mm 116.9 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Track front 1600 mm 63.0in >>>>>>>>>> rear 1627 mm 64.1in >>>>>>>>>> Length 193.1in >>>>>>>>>> Width 1860 mm 73.2in >>>>>>>>>> Height 1464 mm 57.6in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 4376lbs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In looking at the numbers, the E39 to E60 was a rather smooth >>>>>>>>>> transition to a larger class vehicle, but at the same time, >>>>>>>>>> retained its weight with minimal gains (66lb increase) due to the >>>>>>>>>> larger dimensions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But, when we look at the E60 to F10, the numbers show a stark >>>>>>>>>> contrast for a car in the same class/segment...More than 3inches >>>>>>>>>> in wheelbase, more than 550lbs heavier! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And in the phantom comparisons of the E39 to F10, where some >>>>>>>>>> propose that those that loved the E39 will flock to the F10 now >>>>>>>>>> because of the less controversial design elements, those E39 >>>>>>>>>> folks will be in for a real shock when they get behind the >>>>>>>>>> wheel...the F10 is 5.5 inches longer in wheelbase, and 617 more >>>>>>>>>> pounds! I would like to hear from anyone that has an E39 that >>>>>>>>>> drove the F10 back to back to get their feelings on this increase >>>>>>>>>> in mass. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, in looking back in time, 1998, the E38 7er: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> E38 '98 740i >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2930 mm 115.4 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Track front 1552 mm 61.1 in >>>>>>>>>> rear 1568 mm 61.7 in >>>>>>>>>> Length 4984 mm 196.2 in >>>>>>>>>> Width 1862 mm 73.3 in >>>>>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1885 kg 4156 lb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, the F10 has a longer wheelbase and weighs 220lbs more that a >>>>>>>>>> 7er just 10 years removed! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And even comparing to the E65: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> E65 2001 745i >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2990 mm 117.7 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Track front 1586 mm 62.4 in >>>>>>>>>> rear 1590 mm 62.6 in >>>>>>>>>> Length 5029 mm 198.0 in >>>>>>>>>> Width 1902 mm 74.9 in >>>>>>>>>> Height 1492 mm 58.7 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1945 kg 4288 lb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just 0.8 of an inch differentiates the F10 from the E65 in >>>>>>>>>> wheelbase, and still, the F10 weighs 98 lbs more! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, while no one argues or would argue that the F10 is a refined >>>>>>>>>> luxury sedan, it has grown to proportions that take it out of its >>>>>>>>>> own class size, and ultimately has killed the notion that the 5 >>>>>>>>>> series is a Sports saloon, its a full size luxury vehicle with >>>>>>>>>> lots of power, and it certainly is BIGGER than your Daddy's 7 >>>>>>>>>> Series. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So whats left for a 4 door Sports saloon from BMW??? Leaving out >>>>>>>>>> the Gran Coupe since it will be big for sure, (perhaps bigger >>>>>>>>>> than F10) that only leaves one model...Looking at the current E90 >>>>>>>>>> which has grown as well over the past decade, one can deduce that >>>>>>>>>> the F30 will grow approx to the exact size dimensions as the >>>>>>>>>> former E39 5 series, just add a couple of inches to the wheelbase >>>>>>>>>> and about 200lbs, and its a near match... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2010 E90 335i >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wheelbase 2760 mm 108.7 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Track front 1500 mm 59.1 in >>>>>>>>>> rear 1529 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>>>>> Length 4531 mm 178.4 in >>>>>>>>>> Width 1817 mm 71.5 in >>>>>>>>>> Height 1421 mm 55.9 in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerb weight 1625 kg 3583 lb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And the sad news about the F30 is that supposedly M has already >>>>>>>>>> decided NOT to make a 4door M3 due to the low sales of the E90 M3 >>>>>>>>>> (guess they didnt hear about our members support!), so there may >>>>>>>>>> not be any future agile, 4door, sports saloon available from M >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >