"Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message news:i89ocj$6ba$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > skitumas yra, sutinku - jis isreiskiamas sekundemis. kasdieniniu tempu > vaziuojant - labai tas jauciasi? perkant nauja auto net ir silpniausias > bmw aishku labai. nu pravazhiuok su 523 ir su 540 ir suprasi. > variklis yra pakankamas normaliam kasdieniam vazinejimui. jei norisi > 'pasidraskyti', tada taip - kuo daugiau tuo geriau - bet viskas turi du > galus - kaina, eksploatacija, mokesciai. prie ko ce pasidraskyti. Tiesiog turi daugiau laisves, nereik ish anksto planuot "spesiu nespesiu", paspaudi ir turi. O seip ce skonio reikalas, galbut yra zhmoniu kuriem 1.3 uzhtenka. > renkantis auto pries 5 metus svarsciau visus benzininius ir dyzelinius > variantus - po keletos testdraivu naujas 2.5 benzininis variklis > geriausias kompromisas pasirode. dabar nauja auto svarstant manau kad 2 > litru dyzelio pilnai uzteks - su kolegos e60 zyzeliu (senesnis 163ag) i > sveicarija slidineti vaziavom - jokiu rupesciu del galios trukumo - tiek > kalnuose vaziuojant tiek autobahnais. naujas 2 litru zyzelis 184 ag - > daugiau nei adekvatu tokiai auto. su kolegos a6 2 litru zyzelka irgi link > juros zvejoti vaziavom - pilnai pakankama viskas atrode. Ar 3 litru > dyzelis butu blogiau? aisku ne, geriau, bet tas gerumas kainuoja > papildomus 10K-15K eur - tada sekantis klausimas ar reikia? kai reikia > atsegti savo pinigus uz nauja auto, tada skaiciuoji, nes perkant nauja > auto papildoma iranga gali kainuoti tiek, kiek bazinis automobilis. > skirtuma tarp 40.000 eur ir 70-80.000 eur jauti? kai perki nenauja auto ir > svarstai tarp 15K ir 18K eur, tada gal ir kitaip atrodo. nu jei nelabai yra pinigu pirkt nauja auto tai gal second hando reikejo paieshkot? Nemanai kad shiek tiek senesnis second handas dzhiugintu labiau nei plikas ir su silpnu motoru pitakas, bet uzhtai naujas :) > su amerikes krize ir europos mokesciais, po 5-10 metu i lietuva dzigitams > nebus ka vezti, nes bmw prognozuoja, kad didziaja dali pardavimu europoje > pvz sudarys naujasis 2 litru dyzelis. aisku bus keletas variantu is us su > 550i ar 535i, bet jei kuro kainos pakils dar (o jos kils) nelabai > svarstytini variantai atrodys. 2 litru dyzelis yra gerai. ekonomishkas. O 2.0i ar 2.5i atmosferinis benzas nei vazhiuoja nei ekonomishkas, nu tik va jei naujam normalios komplektacijos penktukui pinigu mazhoka bet butinai butinai noris naujo penkto bmw tai imi pigiausia plika varianta :) > "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message > news:i89iqn$10s$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >> kvailai mastai. skirtumas tarp 6.5 ir 8 sek yra pvz e39 523 vs e39 540. >> Vazhiavimo skirtumas labai didelis, net nera ka lygint? ir prie ko cia >> guoliai ir shviesaforai? kazhkoks keistas tu zhmogelis, tuomet kam pirkai >> plika 525i o ne 520i? gi kebulas tas pats butu o kam ce suo guoliais nuo >> shviesaforo lenktyniaut :D >> >> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >> news:i875i9$3ut$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>> nesiginu, aplanke. kiek daznai spurtuoji spausdamas iki max? plius >>> nefasonas su f10 butu plesytis ant sviesoforu su guoliais (na bent jau >>> mano amziui) >>> >>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>> news:i85llp$s0p$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> na jei nuo 6.5 sek ir 8 nera skirtumo akivaizdu kad aplanke senatve ;) >>>> >>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>> news:i85bph$ism$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>> a) pointas buvo, kad f10 didesnis ir sunkesnis uz e38 pvz ir beveik >>>>> nesiskiria nuo e65 >>>>> b) del 'grazesnio' - sutikim kad tai subjektyvu ir asmeniska, ok? >>>>> c) del greitesnio - buvo ivairiais analogiskais varikliais bandymu >>>>> daryta tarp f10 ir e60 - negreitesnis ziede bent jau f10. ir siaip, >>>>> nuo kada bmw greicio truksta - jei islipa auto is 10 sek iki 100 tai >>>>> ir gana. koks realus skirtumas tarp auto kur 100 pasiekia per 6.5 ir >>>>> kitos kur ta pat per 8 sek? realiam gyvenime - jokio, nebent jaunystes >>>>> spuogai ir hormonai siaucia ir norisi pasirodyti pries kiemo chebra :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message >>>>> news:i857rq$e9n$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>> visad naujam modeliui ishejus buna kruvos neigiamu nuomoniu. Taip pat >>>>>> buvo ir su e60. faktas tas kad F10 550i uzh e60 550i ir grazhesnis ir >>>>>> greitesnis ir tikriausiai ekonomishkesnis. Kaip sakant shunes loja >>>>>> bet karavanas eina tolyn :) >>>>>> >>>>>> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i857cm$dnf$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>>> perpostinu viena posta rasta viename is bmw forumu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just thought it would be fun to see how our beloved 5 series has >>>>>>> evolved from a sports sedan to a luxury cruiser... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many believe the F10 is the reincarnation of the E39, but that >>>>>>> couldnt be further from the truth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E39 2002 540i >>>>>>> Wheelbase 2830 mm 111.4 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Track front 1516 mm 59.7 in >>>>>>> rear 1530 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>> Length 4775 mm 188 in >>>>>>> Width 1800 mm 70.9 in >>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerb weight 1705 kg 3759 lb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E60 2005 550i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wheelbase 2888 mm 113.7 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Track front 1558 mm 61.3 in >>>>>>> rear 1582 mm 62.3 in >>>>>>> Length 4841 mm 190.6 in >>>>>>> Width 1846 mm 72.7 in >>>>>>> Height 1468 mm 57.8 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerb weight 1735 kg 3825 lb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> F10 2011 550i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wheelbase 2968 mm 116.9 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Track front 1600 mm 63.0in >>>>>>> rear 1627 mm 64.1in >>>>>>> Length 193.1in >>>>>>> Width 1860 mm 73.2in >>>>>>> Height 1464 mm 57.6in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerb weight 4376lbs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In looking at the numbers, the E39 to E60 was a rather smooth >>>>>>> transition to a larger class vehicle, but at the same time, retained >>>>>>> its weight with minimal gains (66lb increase) due to the larger >>>>>>> dimensions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, when we look at the E60 to F10, the numbers show a stark >>>>>>> contrast for a car in the same class/segment...More than 3inches in >>>>>>> wheelbase, more than 550lbs heavier! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And in the phantom comparisons of the E39 to F10, where some propose >>>>>>> that those that loved the E39 will flock to the F10 now because of >>>>>>> the less controversial design elements, those E39 folks will be in >>>>>>> for a real shock when they get behind the wheel...the F10 is 5.5 >>>>>>> inches longer in wheelbase, and 617 more pounds! I would like to >>>>>>> hear from anyone that has an E39 that drove the F10 back to back to >>>>>>> get their feelings on this increase in mass. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, in looking back in time, 1998, the E38 7er: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E38 '98 740i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wheelbase 2930 mm 115.4 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Track front 1552 mm 61.1 in >>>>>>> rear 1568 mm 61.7 in >>>>>>> Length 4984 mm 196.2 in >>>>>>> Width 1862 mm 73.3 in >>>>>>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerb weight 1885 kg 4156 lb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, the F10 has a longer wheelbase and weighs 220lbs more that a 7er >>>>>>> just 10 years removed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And even comparing to the E65: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E65 2001 745i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wheelbase 2990 mm 117.7 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Track front 1586 mm 62.4 in >>>>>>> rear 1590 mm 62.6 in >>>>>>> Length 5029 mm 198.0 in >>>>>>> Width 1902 mm 74.9 in >>>>>>> Height 1492 mm 58.7 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerb weight 1945 kg 4288 lb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just 0.8 of an inch differentiates the F10 from the E65 in >>>>>>> wheelbase, and still, the F10 weighs 98 lbs more! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, while no one argues or would argue that the F10 is a refined >>>>>>> luxury sedan, it has grown to proportions that take it out of its >>>>>>> own class size, and ultimately has killed the notion that the 5 >>>>>>> series is a Sports saloon, its a full size luxury vehicle with lots >>>>>>> of power, and it certainly is BIGGER than your Daddy's 7 Series. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So whats left for a 4 door Sports saloon from BMW??? Leaving out the >>>>>>> Gran Coupe since it will be big for sure, (perhaps bigger than F10) >>>>>>> that only leaves one model...Looking at the current E90 which has >>>>>>> grown as well over the past decade, one can deduce that the F30 will >>>>>>> grow approx to the exact size dimensions as the former E39 5 series, >>>>>>> just add a couple of inches to the wheelbase and about 200lbs, and >>>>>>> its a near match... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010 E90 335i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wheelbase 2760 mm 108.7 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Track front 1500 mm 59.1 in >>>>>>> rear 1529 mm 60.2 in >>>>>>> Length 4531 mm 178.4 in >>>>>>> Width 1817 mm 71.5 in >>>>>>> Height 1421 mm 55.9 in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerb weight 1625 kg 3583 lb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the sad news about the F30 is that supposedly M has already >>>>>>> decided NOT to make a 4door M3 due to the low sales of the E90 M3 >>>>>>> (guess they didnt hear about our members support!), so there may not >>>>>>> be any future agile, 4door, sports saloon available from M >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >