a) pointas buvo, kad f10 didesnis ir sunkesnis uz e38 pvz ir beveik 
nesiskiria nuo e65
b) del 'grazesnio' - sutikim kad tai subjektyvu ir asmeniska, ok?
c) del greitesnio - buvo ivairiais analogiskais varikliais bandymu daryta 
tarp f10 ir e60 - negreitesnis ziede bent jau f10. ir siaip, nuo kada bmw 
greicio truksta - jei islipa auto is 10 sek iki 100 tai ir gana. koks realus 
skirtumas tarp auto kur 100 pasiekia per 6.5 ir kitos kur ta pat per 8 sek? 
realiam gyvenime - jokio, nebent jaunystes spuogai ir hormonai siaucia ir 
norisi pasirodyti pries kiemo chebra :)



"Arnas" <arnas@bbd.lt> wrote in message 
news:i857rq$e9n$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
> visad naujam modeliui ishejus buna kruvos neigiamu nuomoniu. Taip pat buvo 
> ir su e60. faktas tas kad F10 550i uzh e60 550i ir grazhesnis ir 
> greitesnis ir tikriausiai ekonomishkesnis. Kaip sakant shunes loja bet 
> karavanas eina tolyn :)
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> "Mooney" <alaus@krastas.lt> wrote in message 
> news:i857cm$dnf$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>> perpostinu viena posta rasta viename is bmw forumu:
>>
>> Just thought it would be fun to see how our beloved 5 series has evolved 
>> from a sports sedan to a luxury cruiser...
>>
>> Many believe the F10 is the reincarnation of the E39, but that couldnt be 
>> further from the truth.
>>
>>
>> E39 2002 540i
>> Wheelbase 2830 mm 111.4 in
>>
>> Track front 1516 mm 59.7 in
>> rear 1530 mm 60.2 in
>> Length 4775 mm 188 in
>> Width 1800 mm 70.9 in
>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in
>>
>>
>> Kerb weight 1705 kg 3759 lb
>>
>>
>>
>> E60 2005 550i
>>
>>
>> Wheelbase 2888 mm 113.7 in
>>
>> Track front 1558 mm 61.3 in
>> rear 1582 mm 62.3 in
>> Length 4841 mm 190.6 in
>> Width 1846 mm 72.7 in
>> Height 1468 mm 57.8 in
>>
>>
>> Kerb weight 1735 kg 3825 lb
>>
>>
>> F10 2011 550i
>>
>>
>> Wheelbase 2968 mm 116.9
>>
>> Track front 1600 mm 63.0in
>> rear 1627 mm 64.1in
>> Length 193.1in
>> Width 1860 mm 73.2in
>> Height 1464 mm 57.6in
>>
>>
>> Kerb weight 4376lbs
>>
>>
>> In looking at the numbers, the E39 to E60 was a rather smooth transition 
>> to a larger class vehicle, but at the same time, retained its weight with 
>> minimal gains (66lb increase) due to the larger dimensions.
>>
>> But, when we look at the E60 to F10, the numbers show a stark contrast 
>> for a car in the same class/segment...More than 3inches in wheelbase, 
>> more than 550lbs heavier!
>>
>> And in the phantom comparisons of the E39 to F10, where some propose that 
>> those that loved the E39 will flock to the F10 now because of the less 
>> controversial design elements, those E39 folks will be in for a real 
>> shock when they get behind the wheel...the F10 is 5.5 inches longer in 
>> wheelbase, and 617 more pounds! I would like to hear from anyone that has 
>> an E39 that drove the F10 back to back to get their feelings on this 
>> increase in mass.
>>
>>
>> Now, in looking back in time, 1998, the E38 7er:
>>
>> E38 '98 740i
>>
>> Wheelbase 2930 mm 115.4 in
>>
>> Track front 1552 mm 61.1 in
>> rear 1568 mm 61.7 in
>> Length 4984 mm 196.2 in
>> Width 1862 mm 73.3 in
>> Height 1435 mm 56.5 in
>>
>>
>> Kerb weight 1885 kg 4156 lb
>>
>>
>> So, the F10 has a longer wheelbase and weighs 220lbs more that a 7er just 
>> 10 years removed!
>>
>>
>> And even comparing to the E65:
>>
>>
>> E65 2001 745i
>>
>>
>> Wheelbase 2990 mm 117.7 in
>>
>> Track front 1586 mm 62.4 in
>> rear 1590 mm 62.6 in
>> Length 5029 mm 198.0 in
>> Width 1902 mm 74.9 in
>> Height 1492 mm 58.7 in
>>
>>
>> Kerb weight 1945 kg 4288 lb
>>
>>
>> Just 0.8 of an inch differentiates the F10 from the E65 in wheelbase, and 
>> still, the F10 weighs 98 lbs more!
>>
>>
>> So, while no one argues or would argue that the F10 is a refined luxury 
>> sedan, it has grown to proportions that take it out of its own class 
>> size, and ultimately has killed the notion that the 5 series is a Sports 
>> saloon, its a full size luxury vehicle with lots of power, and it 
>> certainly is BIGGER than your Daddy's 7 Series.
>>
>>
>> So whats left for a 4 door Sports saloon from BMW??? Leaving out the Gran 
>> Coupe since it will be big for sure, (perhaps bigger than F10) that only 
>> leaves one model...Looking at the current E90 which has grown as well 
>> over the past decade, one can deduce that the F30 will grow approx to the 
>> exact size dimensions as the former E39 5 series, just add a couple of 
>> inches to the wheelbase and about 200lbs, and its a near match...
>>
>> 2010 E90 335i
>>
>>
>>
>> Wheelbase 2760 mm 108.7 in
>>
>> Track front 1500 mm 59.1 in
>> rear 1529 mm 60.2 in
>> Length 4531 mm 178.4 in
>> Width 1817 mm 71.5 in
>> Height 1421 mm 55.9 in
>>
>>
>> Kerb weight 1625 kg 3583 lb
>>
>> And the sad news about the F30 is that supposedly M has already decided 
>> NOT to make a 4door M3 due to the low sales of the E90 M3 (guess they 
>> didnt hear about our members support!), so there may not be any future 
>> agile, 4door, sports saloon available from M
>>
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