Tema: Re: ?Kas suteikt? Pranc?zijai ir JAV teis? bombarduoti koki? nors valstyb???
Autorius: Gintas <apsaugok nuo Tomo durnumo@gmail.com>
Data: 2018-04-17 10:32:47
A, stai kur beda..... Nesinori, kad JT kontroliuotu tyrima? Geriau, kad tyrima kontroliuotu JAV , kuri jau ir netirdama nusprende, kad rusai kalti :)
 
"Salas" <salas@inbox.lt> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:pb41dh$igf$2@trimpas.omnitel.net...
> Paaiskinu dar karta:
> 
> Rusu rezoliucija skambetu labai graziai, jei nepazinotum rusu, ir 
> nezinotum kas is to isplaukia:
> 
> Rusija siulo, kad visa tyrima kontraliuotu JT. Rusija turi Veto teise 
> JT. Rusija jau blokavo >10 rezoliuciju susijusiu su sirija.
> Vos pabandzius JT suburti komisija cheminems atakoms tirti, ji vel 
> vetuotu komisijos sudeti, del neva jai neitikusiu nariu. Temptu guma, 
> kad Asadas spetu susitvarkyti ikalcius, ir net jei pavyktu suburti 
> komisija ir ji pateiktu kokias nors nedaudingas Rusijai isvadas, ji jas 
> vel paprasciausiai vetuotu, ir is viso to gautusi snipsta. Todel kitos 
> salys, zvelgdomos i praeityje ivykdytus Rusijos veiksmus, atmete ju 
> rezoliucija.
> Taip kad esme tame straipsnyje pateikta tiksliai, nors is rezoliuciju 
> teksto to ir nesimato.
> 
> 
> 
> On 2018-04-17 08:35, Gintas wrote:
>> P.S. Nepaaiskinai , o kodel JAV, kartu su kitomis salimis, vetavo rusu rezoliucija? Kas joje negerai?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Salas" <salas@inbox.lt> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:pb3vh6$gsp$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>> Rusu rezoliucija skambetu labai graziai, jei nepazinotum rusu, ir
>>> nezinotum kas is to isplaukia:
>>>
>>> Rusija siulo, kad visa tyrima kontraliuotu JT. Rusija turi Veto teise
>>> JT. Rusija jau blokavo >10 rezoliuciju susijusiu su sirija.
>>> Vos pabandzius JT suburti komisija cheminems atakoms tirti, ji vel
>>> vetuotu komisijos sudeti, del neva jai neitikusiu nariu. Temptu guma,
>>> kad Asadas spetu susitvarkyti ikalcius, ir net jei pavyktu suburti
>>> komisija ir ji pateiktu kokias nors nedaudingas Rusijai isvadas, ji jas
>>> vel paprasciausiai vetuotu, ir is viso to gautusi snipsta. Todel kitos
>>> salys, zvelgdomos i praeityje ivykdytus Rusijos veiksmus, atmete ju
>>> rezoliucija.
>>> Taip kad esme tame straipsnyje pateikta tiksliai, nors is rezoliuciju
>>> teksto to ir nesimato.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-04-16 14:46, Audrys wrote:
>>>> o dabar pademonstruok is kur paimti tie pezalai apie rusijos nenora
>>>> paskelbt? Tavo tekstas yra is independent straipsnio, kuris nepateikia
>>>> jokiu nuorodu i tekstus.
>>>>
>>>> taciau jt tekste nieko panasaus nera
>>>>
>>>> "The Council then proceeded to vote on a competing draft submitted by
>>>> the Russian Federation, also rejecting it, by a recorded vote of 6 in
>>>> favour (Bolivia, China, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Russian
>>>> Federation) to 7 against (France, Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Sweden,
>>>> United Kingdom, United States), with 2 abstentions (Côte d’Ivoire, Kuwait).
>>>>
>>>> By the terms of that text, the Council would have established a United
>>>> Nations independent mechanism of investigation, also for an initial
>>>> period of one year, and urged it to fully ensure a truly impartial,
>>>> independent, professional and credible way to conduct its
>>>> investigation. It would have further directed the mechanism to make
>>>> full use of all credible, verified and corroborated evidence collected
>>>> by the OPCW fact-finding mission, while also directing it to collect and
>>>> examine additional information and sources not obtained or prepared by
>>>> the mission, including all information provided by the Government of
>>>> Syria and others on the activities of non-State actors."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "By the terms of a draft resolution submitted by the United States —
>>>> which was not adopted, following a vote of 12 in favour to 2 against
>>>> (Bolivia, Russian Federation) with 1 abstention (China), owing to a veto
>>>> by the Russian Federation — the Council would have established the
>>>> United Nations independent mechanism for an initial period of one year.
>>>> It would have requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations
>>>> about the mechanism including its terms of reference, based on the
>>>> principles of impartiality, independence and professionalism, to
>>>> identify those responsible for the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
>>>>
>>>> Condemning the use of such weapons in the strongest terms, the Council
>>>> would also have expressed full support for the Organisation for the
>>>> Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) fact-finding mission, which was
>>>> already investigating the Douma incident. It would have called on all
>>>> parties in Syria to fully cooperate with both investigations and allow
>>>> them immediate, unfettered, safe and secure access to all relevant
>>>> witnesses, evidence, reporting, materials and sites."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13288.doc.htm
>>>>
>>>> Taigi kaip ir buvo mineta, amerikosiniam variante yra "Condemning the
>>>> use of such weapons in the strongest terms", kuria siekiama numanomos
>>>> atakos statusa pakeist i fakta nepateikiant jokiu irodymu.
>>>> Taip pat Salui: butent amerikosiniam variante yra " It would have
>>>> requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations about the
>>>> mechanism including its terms of reference", kuris independ'o
>>>> straipsnyje priskiriamas rusams.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Salas" wrote in message news:pb20d3$tk8$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>
>>>> Rusija noretu, kad nepriklausomu ekspertu isvados galetu butu
>>>> paskelbtos, tik tada, jei jas patvirtintu Rusija, t.y. 99% kad niekada :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-04-16 14:37, gediminas wrote:
>>>>> Tame linke tik teigiama, kad JT atmete rusijos pasiulyma. Bet taip ir
>>>>> neaiskus koks tas pasiulymas. Tai visgi ka ten tokio rusija siulo, kad
>>>>> JT nepritaria?
>>>>> Kiti siulo daryti nepriklausoma tyrima, kodel Rusija ji vetuoja? Ar
>>>>> netinka, kad bus nepriklausomas?
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://newsone.ua/news/politics/sovbez-oon-otklonil-rezolyuciyu-rossii-o-rassledovanii-ximicheskix-atak-v-sirii.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> specialiai kaip tau is ukru saito.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "gediminas" wrote in message news:pb1og7$lu7$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Koki varianta rusai siulo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vetuoja ne tyrima, o amerikosu rezoliucija, kuriame dar pries tyrima
>>>>>>> suverciama kalte rusams ir patvirtinama numanoma ataka, kaip faktas.
>>>>>>> Rusai gi visa laika siulo ir kitoki varianta su tyrimu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "gediminas" wrote in message news:pb1kdv$hv0$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> O kodel Rusija JT vetuoja cheminiu ataku tyrima Sirijoj?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o tai tipo, balsavimas JT turetu but toks, koki JAV nurodo? Tiek
>>>>>>>> JAV , tiek Rusija yra tu rezoliuciju blokavusi, tad kieno marionete
>>>>>>>> ta JT?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "vedarinis" <vedarai@kaip.gerai> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>>>>> news:pat9lr$anc$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>>>>> Tam paciam straipsny parasyta, del ko JT yra tapus kacapyno
>>>>>>>>> marionete, jei ka.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gintas" <apsaugok nuo Tomo durnumo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>> ?Konvencij? pa?eidimas nesuteikia teis?s naudoti j?g??, ? sak?
>>>>>>>>>> pagalbos organizacijos ?Gydytojai be sien?? (MSF) teis?s klausim?
>>>>>>>>>> direktor? Francoise Saulnier.
>>>>>>>>>
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