Tema: Re: ?Kas suteikt? Pranc?zijai ir JAV teis? bombarduoti koki? norsvalstyb???
Autorius: Salas
Data: 2018-04-17 08:40:13
Veto teise yra visiskas absurdas, ir tai galioja visoms salims 
turincioms ta teise. Tos 5 nuolatines nares vietoj Veto teises, galetu 
tureti nebent didesni balso svori, pvz 2:1 arba 3:1. Nes dabar atsiranda 
koks nors psichinis ligonis, su Veto teise, ir visa ta istaiga pavercia 
neigalia.
Gintukai, ar labai noretum cheminio ginklo paragaut ? As - ne. Ir jei 
musu valdzia sugalvotu panaudoti chemini ginkla pries musu piliecius, as 
sutikciau kad USA pisteltu is raketu i tu ginklu sandelius.




On 2018-04-17 08:33, Gintas wrote:
> Zinant amerikiecius, stebina kam aplamai numatytas tas JT balsavimas su vetavimo galimybe. Juk galima det skersa ant visu balsavimu ir visu vetavimu? Galima netgi bombarduoti, o paskui aiskintis ar buvo priezastis tam bambardavimui.
> 
> Pyst ir sumano bombarduoti visas valstybes, kuriu rezimai  (valdymas) nepatinka (pvz. netinkamai riauses malsina, netinkamai ka nors i kalejima sodina, netinkamu maistu maitina ar ora uztersdami nuodija megapoliu gyventoju)  Bombinam?
> 
>   
> "Salas" <salas@inbox.lt> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:pb3vh6$gsp$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>> Rusu rezoliucija skambetu labai graziai, jei nepazinotum rusu, ir
>> nezinotum kas is to isplaukia:
>>
>> Rusija siulo, kad visa tyrima kontraliuotu JT. Rusija turi Veto teise
>> JT. Rusija jau blokavo >10 rezoliuciju susijusiu su sirija.
>> Vos pabandzius JT suburti komisija cheminems atakoms tirti, ji vel
>> vetuotu komisijos sudeti, del neva jai neitikusiu nariu. Temptu guma,
>> kad Asadas spetu susitvarkyti ikalcius, ir net jei pavyktu suburti
>> komisija ir ji pateiktu kokias nors nedaudingas Rusijai isvadas, ji jas
>> vel paprasciausiai vetuotu, ir is viso to gautusi snipsta. Todel kitos
>> salys, zvelgdomos i praeityje ivykdytus Rusijos veiksmus, atmete ju
>> rezoliucija.
>> Taip kad esme tame straipsnyje pateikta tiksliai, nors is rezoliuciju
>> teksto to ir nesimato.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2018-04-16 14:46, Audrys wrote:
>>> o dabar pademonstruok is kur paimti tie pezalai apie rusijos nenora
>>> paskelbt? Tavo tekstas yra is independent straipsnio, kuris nepateikia
>>> jokiu nuorodu i tekstus.
>>>
>>> taciau jt tekste nieko panasaus nera
>>>
>>> "The Council then proceeded to vote on a competing draft submitted by
>>> the Russian Federation, also rejecting it, by a recorded vote of 6 in
>>> favour (Bolivia, China, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Russian
>>> Federation) to 7 against (France, Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Sweden,
>>> United Kingdom, United States), with 2 abstentions (Côte d’Ivoire, Kuwait).
>>>
>>> By the terms of that text, the Council would have established a United
>>> Nations independent mechanism of investigation, also for an initial
>>> period of one year, and urged it to fully ensure a truly impartial,
>>> independent, professional and credible way to conduct its
>>> investigation. It would have further directed the mechanism to make
>>> full use of all credible, verified and corroborated evidence collected
>>> by the OPCW fact-finding mission, while also directing it to collect and
>>> examine additional information and sources not obtained or prepared by
>>> the mission, including all information provided by the Government of
>>> Syria and others on the activities of non-State actors."
>>>
>>>
>>> "By the terms of a draft resolution submitted by the United States —
>>> which was not adopted, following a vote of 12 in favour to 2 against
>>> (Bolivia, Russian Federation) with 1 abstention (China), owing to a veto
>>> by the Russian Federation — the Council would have established the
>>> United Nations independent mechanism for an initial period of one year.
>>> It would have requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations
>>> about the mechanism including its terms of reference, based on the
>>> principles of impartiality, independence and professionalism, to
>>> identify those responsible for the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
>>>
>>> Condemning the use of such weapons in the strongest terms, the Council
>>> would also have expressed full support for the Organisation for the
>>> Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) fact-finding mission, which was
>>> already investigating the Douma incident. It would have called on all
>>> parties in Syria to fully cooperate with both investigations and allow
>>> them immediate, unfettered, safe and secure access to all relevant
>>> witnesses, evidence, reporting, materials and sites."
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13288.doc.htm
>>>
>>> Taigi kaip ir buvo mineta, amerikosiniam variante yra "Condemning the
>>> use of such weapons in the strongest terms", kuria siekiama numanomos
>>> atakos statusa pakeist i fakta nepateikiant jokiu irodymu.
>>> Taip pat Salui: butent amerikosiniam variante yra " It would have
>>> requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations about the
>>> mechanism including its terms of reference", kuris independ'o
>>> straipsnyje priskiriamas rusams.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Salas" wrote in message news:pb20d3$tk8$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>
>>> Rusija noretu, kad nepriklausomu ekspertu isvados galetu butu
>>> paskelbtos, tik tada, jei jas patvirtintu Rusija, t.y. 99% kad niekada :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-04-16 14:37, gediminas wrote:
>>>> Tame linke tik teigiama, kad JT atmete rusijos pasiulyma. Bet taip ir
>>>> neaiskus koks tas pasiulymas. Tai visgi ka ten tokio rusija siulo, kad
>>>> JT nepritaria?
>>>> Kiti siulo daryti nepriklausoma tyrima, kodel Rusija ji vetuoja? Ar
>>>> netinka, kad bus nepriklausomas?
>>>>
>>>>> https://newsone.ua/news/politics/sovbez-oon-otklonil-rezolyuciyu-rossii-o-rassledovanii-ximicheskix-atak-v-sirii.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> specialiai kaip tau is ukru saito.
>>>>>
>>>>> "gediminas" wrote in message news:pb1og7$lu7$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> Koki varianta rusai siulo?
>>>>>
>>>>>> vetuoja ne tyrima, o amerikosu rezoliucija, kuriame dar pries tyrima
>>>>>> suverciama kalte rusams ir patvirtinama numanoma ataka, kaip faktas.
>>>>>> Rusai gi visa laika siulo ir kitoki varianta su tyrimu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "gediminas" wrote in message news:pb1kdv$hv0$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> O kodel Rusija JT vetuoja cheminiu ataku tyrima Sirijoj?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o tai tipo, balsavimas JT turetu but toks, koki JAV nurodo? Tiek
>>>>>>> JAV , tiek Rusija yra tu rezoliuciju blokavusi, tad kieno marionete
>>>>>>> ta JT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "vedarinis" <vedarai@kaip.gerai> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>>>> news:pat9lr$anc$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>>>> Tam paciam straipsny parasyta, del ko JT yra tapus kacapyno
>>>>>>>> marionete, jei ka.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gintas" <apsaugok nuo Tomo durnumo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>> ?Konvencij? pa?eidimas nesuteikia teis?s naudoti j?g??, ? sak?
>>>>>>>>> pagalbos organizacijos ?Gydytojai be sien?? (MSF) teis?s klausim?
>>>>>>>>> direktor? Francoise Saulnier.
>>>>>>>>
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