Tema: Re: ?Kas suteikt? Pranc?zijai ir JAV teis? bombarduoti koki? nors valstyb???
Autorius: Gintas <apsaugok nuo Tomo durnumo@gmail.com>
Data: 2018-04-17 08:34:59
P.S. Nepaaiskinai , o kodel JAV, kartu su kitomis salimis, vetavo rusu rezoliucija? Kas joje negerai? 



"Salas" <salas@inbox.lt> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:pb3vh6$gsp$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
> Rusu rezoliucija skambetu labai graziai, jei nepazinotum rusu, ir 
> nezinotum kas is to isplaukia:
> 
> Rusija siulo, kad visa tyrima kontraliuotu JT. Rusija turi Veto teise 
> JT. Rusija jau blokavo >10 rezoliuciju susijusiu su sirija.
> Vos pabandzius JT suburti komisija cheminems atakoms tirti, ji vel 
> vetuotu komisijos sudeti, del neva jai neitikusiu nariu. Temptu guma, 
> kad Asadas spetu susitvarkyti ikalcius, ir net jei pavyktu suburti 
> komisija ir ji pateiktu kokias nors nedaudingas Rusijai isvadas, ji jas 
> vel paprasciausiai vetuotu, ir is viso to gautusi snipsta. Todel kitos 
> salys, zvelgdomos i praeityje ivykdytus Rusijos veiksmus, atmete ju 
> rezoliucija.
> Taip kad esme tame straipsnyje pateikta tiksliai, nors is rezoliuciju 
> teksto to ir nesimato.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2018-04-16 14:46, Audrys wrote:
>> o dabar pademonstruok is kur paimti tie pezalai apie rusijos nenora 
>> paskelbt? Tavo tekstas yra is independent straipsnio, kuris nepateikia 
>> jokiu nuorodu i tekstus.
>> 
>> taciau jt tekste nieko panasaus nera
>> 
>> "The Council then proceeded to vote on a competing draft submitted by 
>> the Russian Federation, also rejecting it, by a recorded vote of 6 in 
>> favour (Bolivia, China, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, Russian 
>> Federation) to 7 against (France, Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Sweden, 
>> United Kingdom, United States), with 2 abstentions (Côte d’Ivoire, Kuwait).
>> 
>> By the terms of that text, the Council would have established a United 
>> Nations independent mechanism of investigation, also for an initial 
>> period of one year, and urged it to fully ensure a truly impartial, 
>> independent, professional and credible way to conduct its 
>> investigation. It would have further directed the mechanism to make 
>> full use of all credible, verified and corroborated evidence collected 
>> by the OPCW fact-finding mission, while also directing it to collect and 
>> examine additional information and sources not obtained or prepared by 
>> the mission, including all information provided by the Government of 
>> Syria and others on the activities of non-State actors."
>> 
>> 
>> "By the terms of a draft resolution submitted by the United States — 
>> which was not adopted, following a vote of 12 in favour to 2 against 
>> (Bolivia, Russian Federation) with 1 abstention (China), owing to a veto 
>> by the Russian Federation — the Council would have established the 
>> United Nations independent mechanism for an initial period of one year.  
>> It would have requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations 
>> about the mechanism including its terms of reference, based on the 
>> principles of impartiality, independence and professionalism, to 
>> identify those responsible for the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
>> 
>> Condemning the use of such weapons in the strongest terms, the Council 
>> would also have expressed full support for the Organisation for the 
>> Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) fact-finding mission, which was 
>> already investigating the Douma incident. It would have called on all 
>> parties in Syria to fully cooperate with both investigations and allow 
>> them immediate, unfettered, safe and secure access to all relevant 
>> witnesses, evidence, reporting, materials and sites."
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13288.doc.htm
>> 
>> Taigi kaip ir buvo mineta, amerikosiniam variante yra "Condemning the 
>> use of such weapons in the strongest terms", kuria siekiama numanomos 
>> atakos statusa pakeist i fakta nepateikiant jokiu irodymu.
>> Taip pat Salui: butent amerikosiniam variante yra " It would have 
>> requested the Secretary-General to make recommendations about the 
>> mechanism including its terms of reference", kuris independ'o 
>> straipsnyje priskiriamas rusams.
>> 
>> 
>> "Salas" wrote in message news:pb20d3$tk8$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>> 
>> Rusija noretu, kad nepriklausomu ekspertu isvados galetu butu
>> paskelbtos, tik tada, jei jas patvirtintu Rusija, t.y. 99% kad niekada :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2018-04-16 14:37, gediminas wrote:
>>> Tame linke tik teigiama, kad JT atmete rusijos pasiulyma. Bet taip ir 
>>> neaiskus koks tas pasiulymas. Tai visgi ka ten tokio rusija siulo, kad 
>>> JT nepritaria?
>>> Kiti siulo daryti nepriklausoma tyrima, kodel Rusija ji vetuoja? Ar 
>>> netinka, kad bus nepriklausomas?
>>>
>>>> https://newsone.ua/news/politics/sovbez-oon-otklonil-rezolyuciyu-rossii-o-rassledovanii-ximicheskix-atak-v-sirii.html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> specialiai kaip tau is ukru saito.
>>>>
>>>> "gediminas" wrote in message news:pb1og7$lu7$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>
>>>> Koki varianta rusai siulo?
>>>>
>>>>> vetuoja ne tyrima, o amerikosu rezoliucija, kuriame dar pries tyrima 
>>>>> suverciama kalte rusams ir patvirtinama numanoma ataka, kaip faktas.
>>>>> Rusai gi visa laika siulo ir kitoki varianta su tyrimu.
>>>>>
>>>>> "gediminas" wrote in message news:pb1kdv$hv0$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> O kodel Rusija JT vetuoja cheminiu ataku tyrima Sirijoj?
>>>>>
>>>>>> o tai tipo, balsavimas JT turetu but toks, koki JAV nurodo? Tiek 
>>>>>> JAV , tiek Rusija yra tu rezoliuciju blokavusi, tad kieno marionete 
>>>>>> ta JT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "vedarinis" <vedarai@kaip.gerai> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
>>>>>> news:pat9lr$anc$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
>>>>>>> Tam paciam straipsny parasyta, del ko JT yra tapus kacapyno
>>>>>>> marionete, jei ka.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gintas" <apsaugok nuo Tomo durnumo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>> ?Konvencij? pa?eidimas nesuteikia teis?s naudoti j?g??, ? sak? 
>>>>>>>> pagalbos organizacijos ?Gydytojai be sien?? (MSF) teis?s klausim? 
>>>>>>>> direktor? Francoise Saulnier.
>>>>>>>
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